Weber's State Monopoly Flaws Exposed: Is Modern Law Just Self-Validating Fiction?
Modern surveillance and military actions operate with an opaque lack of clear external objectives. Users noted how tech platforms, like RCS messaging, can leak private identity data—full names and photos—without continuous, explicit consent.
The core argument splits on state control versus self-governance. NostraDavid strongly backs Weber, insisting the state's monopoly on force is a necessary principle. Conversely, Deceptichum argues state policing fails because the system is fundamentally flawed, demanding local community organization instead. Falcunculus delivers the sharpest philosophical blow, arguing Weber's premise collapses because the state invents its own standard of 'legitimate' violence.
The consensus points to deep institutional distrust. Commenters view both corporate data harvesting and governmental structures as inherently opaque and prone to abuse. The primary fault line is whether force legitimacy rests with the state apparatus or must derive from grassroots community action.
Key Points
State power structure is fundamentally corrupt and unreliable.
Deceptichum argues that relying on state morality fails because the system is deeply flawed; true care requires local organization.
Weber's concept of state violence is circular and self-validating.
falcunculus claims the state defines 'legitimate' violence, making the critique of its power inherently circular, regardless of morality.
The state must retain a monopoly on physical force.
NostraDavid cites Max Weber, stating the state’s monopoly on force is the absolute bedrock principle of governance.
Digital platforms invade privacy without sufficient user consent.
Darkassassin07 notes platforms can share private identity data (name, photos) via technologies like RCS without repeated, explicit consent.
Major international military actions lack clear external objectives.
Mirshe observes that DoD-level military actions often lack clear or consistently articulated strategic goals when viewed outside the involved nations.
Source Discussions (4)
This report was synthesized from the following Lemmy discussions, ranked by community score.