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The discussion centers on drawing direct parallels between the massive antisemitic pogroms that ravaged Eastern Europe between 1917 and 1923—estimated at 115,000 to 200,000 deaths—and the initial wave of Nazi persecution beginning in 1933. Key shared elements cited are the targeting of Jews who merely 'looked Jewish' and the looting carried out by local petty bourgeoisie.

Conflict erupts over the threshold of criminality. One side argues that isolated early killings, such as those involving Arthur Kahn and Walter Steinfeld, fail to meet the 'systematic, state-sponsored' standard demanded by bodies like the USHMM. Conversely, the counter-narrative demands documenting these early murders as foundational proof of the crime’s inception. Furthermore, one user detailed an unusual claim, suggesting Jewish involvement in microbusinesses was driven by strict adherence to sacred Jewish law (avoiding mixed fibers) rather than mere economic necessity.

The bulk of the input strongly connects the pogroms and Nazi actions, identifying common antisemitic propaganda, such as calls to Jews being 'Christ-killers.' The divide remains visible: whether the early 1933 incidents count as the start of a massive crime or are just isolated outbursts. The consensus weight pushes toward viewing these historical events as part of a single, evolving pattern of institutionalized anti-Jewish hatred.